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I gotta explain why I'm so excited right

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now right like I I'm excited because man

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it's been hard to keep people's trust

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and keep our mouth shut if people

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believe Dave or not is not going to be

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an issue it's either true or it's not

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true one of the things that was shared

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with us in the early going and it was

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shared with the understanding we would

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not make it public until or unless he

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gave the okay for it it was to it was

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documentation that showed what he was

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going through back then and I I guess we

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should maybe make it public there have

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been references to these documents in

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some of the news coverage that's

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happened so far but nobody has released

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the document so I think we should

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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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are we ever going to get to the bottom

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of these my name is George Knapp I dig

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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probably shouldn't

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and this

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is weapons

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this is weaponized this past week an

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atomic bomb was dropped on UFO World by

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a veteran intelligence officer a guy who

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had the highest levels of security

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clearances in our government a loyal

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trusted public servant a military

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veteran a guy with an impeccable record

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his name is David grush Jeremy we've

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been wanting to talk about Dave for a

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while I am so excited the world has

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finally heard what we have heard and

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known for some time and that we can

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openly talk about this why were we

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holding on to this let's tell people

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about sure let's tell people about first

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who is David grush well he's uh he's

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worked at the highest levels of the

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intelligence Community has the highest

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security clearances he works for an

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organization that's a three-letter

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agency but it's not all that well known

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NGA right so check it out on there's nro

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National reconnaissance office and you

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have the NGA National geospatial

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Intelligence Agency this is an

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interesting relationship between these

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two agencies so it would be nro you have

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a lot of equipment right you have a lot

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of Hardware you also have within the NGA

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you've got a lot of analysts and people

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with high access

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cross-platform of compartmentalization

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that can look at that information not

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everybody but people have that what we

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know

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is that David grush is who he says he is

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what we know is that David grush was in

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the position that he says he was in what

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we know is it David grush had the access

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that he claims to have what we know

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is that David Rush was officially tasked

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by the uaptf which is the UAP Task Force

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at that time

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specifically to look into

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compartmentalized

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stove pipe black budget secret sap

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special access programs and it was

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uniquely qualified to do that because in

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his role before there was any UAP

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allegations or investigations he oversaw

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something like 2 000 sap special access

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programs of all kinds yet Dave grosh had

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access and the ability to because of his

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kind of extreme capability to to have

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access to these intelligence people and

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and programs he he was tasked to find

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out is something being hidden is

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something about UAP being hidden so

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because of his I mean it's just like an

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ultra access to this he was able to

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start doing official classified

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interviews with direct individuals

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involved in these programs and part of

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his responsibility is because of his he

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was a liaison to the UAP task force that

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was his job that's right that's right so

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so the in official capacity Dave grosh

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was doing his job and in doing his job

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he started to discover some incredible

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illegal activity no but look nobody

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wants to be a whistleblower and

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especially doesn't want to be forced to

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come forward

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David grush has tried to do this legally

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he's tried to do it the best way he

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could and he has succeeded he has never

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disclosed to my knowledge anything that

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is classified he has been very clear on

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getting this information before Arrow

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existed getting this information out to

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the public sorry getting this

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information into the proper

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investigatory channels

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specifically the intelligence

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communities Inspector General

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as well as people like Avril Haynes who

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have authority right have authority to

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read the classified version so he is

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never in my knowledge breached any of

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his duties as a patriot as somebody that

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that knows that there have been illegal

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programs now when he discovered this

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when he discovered that there was

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illegal activity extraterrestrial or not

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he did the right thing and he reported

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it the right way

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we should say this is that you know the

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story came out in the debrief it was

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written by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie

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Kane those two had worked on the big

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2017 story in the New York Times so they

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had a track record I think they tried to

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get it in different places

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all right with Dave's permission uh it

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didn't get published where they maybe

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had hoped it would get published but

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that it came out in the the debrief and

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then Ross Colt art a friend of ours he

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gets the on camera interview and it

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explodes and of course the story is it's

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spread to Media all over the world since

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then and people have asked well if you

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guys knew Dave why didn't you do the

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story so why don't you explain how we

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met him and why we didn't do the story

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yeah that that's so first of all a big

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high five to us called heart big high

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five to Leslie and Ralph and and I don't

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I know that it wasn't the

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projected trajectory of bringing Dave's

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account forward to the public

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that there were sacrifices having to be

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made I know that there were loose lips

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that that required you know an action of

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getting this information public and

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forward the reason why I a lot of people

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ask it the reason why we didn't report

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on this prior

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just let me do let me go through a

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couple of things here you you had

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pre-knowledge of the United States now

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acknowledged government UFO program

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for let's just say a long time

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you stepped out of the way to allow that

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to be reported through the New York

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to this day yeah of course it hurts why

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well I wanted to be able to break that

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story it was something I knew about for

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a long time I'd given my word that I

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wouldn't break it until somebody gave me

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the green light and when the green light

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was given it was not to me it was to

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somebody else and I could have broken

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the story

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what was really worked out pretty well

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it was better for the New York Times to

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break it because so it wasn't a UFO

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reporter in Las Vegas doing another UFO

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story it carried a lot more weight given

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that it was the paper of record so to be

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clear for public interest you put your

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ego aside and allowed that story to be

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broke by somebody else and other people

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in a publication because you're not the

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New York Times that is correct yeah I

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know I'm not the New York Times I

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reluctantly had to admit that to myself

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but I also knew it's not entirely

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selfless I also knew I knew enough about

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that program which was misnamed atep in

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the Articles it was actually called ASAP

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I knew enough about that program that

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I'd be able to do additional stories and

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fill in the blanks that other people did

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not know so it wasn't exactly an

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altruistic thing that I sacrificed okay

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so you knew you could clarify you found

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out that it wasn't quite accurate and

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being able to to correct the record is a

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value because it shows the Integrity of

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your reporting I get that not and I get

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to keep my word to the people who shared

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this information with me yeah right so

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let's talk about that let's talk about

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keeping your word so

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you'll recall you know even though we

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did break that story before the New York

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Times we didn't use any names my promise

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to Commander fraver maybe for four years

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we're talking before this goes out and

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we promised that his name and that story

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wouldn't be identified specifically so

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we sat you people could say we sat on

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that but we did our best within the

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parameters we had but what we did was we

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kept the trust of a source and look

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people they want to break stories but

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sometimes all the time

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keeping your word and your trust what's

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the thing you always say about trust

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the way to become trusted is to actually

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be trustworthy right it sounds very

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fundamental so so here's the deal with

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Commander fravor how he found out that

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his name was out in the public and I

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warned him I told him he will attest to

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this that it was going to come out

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there's no putting this back but it

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wouldn't be for me how he found out his

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name was public

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I called him he was at work I said do

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you know he says know what oh my God so

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but that moment right where

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for all that time

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we kept that trust that allowed other

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people to come forward

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Dave grush approached us

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first and Dave grush I mean the first

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person outside the intelligence

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Community or the Inspector General of

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intelligence

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came to us now now why did he come to us

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and and why did we not spill beans right

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there George well let's let's confess

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this right off the bat we wish that we

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had broken this story I mean we'd like

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to be the first to come out with of the

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gate with the story because it's a big

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story but we didn't really think we

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would eventually get that opportunity uh

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Dave came to us because he needed help

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and he shared certain things with us at

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the seu conference back in June of 2022.

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now it started our conversation with

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them but we had an agreement with him we

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were never going to go public with this

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unless he gave us the green light and we

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understood from the beginning that if he

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had to go public there were other

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platforms that he preferred to go with

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other than us right we are the UFO guys

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we can't get past that we broke some big

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stories and uh there is a part of me of

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course saying yeah we'd love to tell

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this full story right now like for the

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the last it's actually 14 months is is

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when the first understanding of who Dave

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was to the point when he first came

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physically with documents in hand to you

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in a in a bar which we'll explain in a

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second while has the bar but

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I also knew this whole time through I

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talked to Dave all the time like he he's

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become a friend through the vetting

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process to be honest right uh

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but I knew from from day one that if he

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had to go public that there are ways in

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which that could be most beneficial to

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to the public interest to public good

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we've talked through the whole way along

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it started optimal

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you know everybody wants something in

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the New York Times hey New York Times

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how about just covering the news how

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about that it's amazing to me to see

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these agencies asking me now how do we

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cover this UF UFO thing we've never done

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it right okay well now you've

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acknowledged it it's like Commander

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fraver he said he's the funniest thing

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he texted me the other day Commander

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fraver set the United States government

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is like an alcoholic with UFOs I go what

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are you talking about and he's like you

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gotta admit there's a problem before you

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can start dealing with it so this idea

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that of how a story of this magnitude

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which people can they need to judge it

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they need to ask for proof but how does

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that story get out to the public that

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was the whole thing that was the whole

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thing it started with maybe it would you

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know we maybe it would get to the New

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York Times maybe we'd get here maybe get

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there and then ultimately

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he was outed man his name got into the

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public space he was forced to come

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forward in this way rather than just

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being in through the channels but now

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here's the deal he did it because he has

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legitimate legitimate uh reprisal issues

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threats we were at the SCU conference in

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Huntsville Alabama we went down there

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it's a great event a lot of really

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interesting people uh live in that

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Community uh working in defense programs

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intelligence operations and it was a

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great excuse for a lot of those folks to

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get together and we were invited and we

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went along we took a camera and we're in

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it it's held in this little place it's

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like a club and a bar and we're in there

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and you're shooting video your your

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buddy Niles is shooting video at the

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exact moment when Dave Crush introduced

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himself that that was that that's so

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amazing now looking at this in hindsight

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because you didn't really tell me

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exactly what we're doing you had some

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people that you wanted us to meet meet

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with and to to record with and one of

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those people was Jay Stratton the world

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hadn't known anything at that point The

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World At Large had not known anything

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but we were also told well in advance

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that there were other people that are in

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position to know that we may be

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approached by or we may meet

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and man I yeah let's just be honest it

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sounds so crazy but it's true uh I

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brought my buddy Niles Harrison we've

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covered that in another episode and he

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was filming and little did I know as

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he's filming at this public event

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there's not supposed to be cameras there

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but they allowed us so thank you SCU

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I got that moment Niles got that moment

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when Dave gresh leans over to you for

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the first time unknown to the world

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right this is a year ago over a year ago

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and and starts talking with you and

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that's when that Pandora's Box by the

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way we ended up meeting out at a bar

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with Gary Nolan who's awesome and we

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ended up like just having a couple

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drinks and talking that's when it really

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sunk in if this is true

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if this is true

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where are we going I don't know it's top

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secret mission George Knapp doesn't tell

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me anything he abducts me and makes sure

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I travel or I get there okay with my

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toothpaste and then

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so a lot has happened in Huntsville

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Alabama and it's about to get real

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[\h__\h] interesting

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I mean the you know he's Dave is not

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coming forward to us or I think to

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anyone else because he wants to be a

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whistleblower because he wants a lot of

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attention I can imagine what his life is

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like right now uh this story that that

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went worldwide over the last week or so

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is not a pleasant experience for him it

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is not something that he wanted I'll bet

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it feels like a meat grinder right now

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for him all this attention for a guy

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who's lived and worked and operated in

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the shadows for all of his adult life

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and his entire intelligence career that

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it's very uncomfortable for him and

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including all the scurrilous attacks

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that are inevitable in UFO world but

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when he approached us to talk he was

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already frightened about where this was

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going he was concerned about the

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direction of the investigation and

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information that was being withheld

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right I respect Dave so much because he

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held to that line he held to that point

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of what is in a appropriate to say and

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inappropriate to convey and what is

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appropriate so he he came for because he

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was he was worried about his well-being

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straight up and hopefully he'll tell

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that story at some point but our job was

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to that is this some sham is this a guy

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is this some big conspiracy by some slow

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disclosure or a fake alien thing and I

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get it that people think that but our

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job for 14 months

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12 months in particular was to not tell

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this information that's the promise we

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made that's the promise we kept but we

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have hard physical documentation of some

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of this important stuff

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one of the things that was shared with

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us in the early going and it was shared

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with the understanding we would not make

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it public until or unless he gave the

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okay for it it was to it was

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documentation that showed what he was

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going through back then and I I guess we

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should maybe make it public there have

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been references to these documents in

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some of the news coverage that's

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happened so far but nobody has released

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the document so I think we should like a

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readable version this is the

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unclassified Inspector General of

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intelligence Community official

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whistleblower complaint that we now know

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it was deemed both credible and Urgent

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so this is dated May 25th 2022 so it had

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been submitted to the inspector

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General's Office of the dni of the

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office of National Intelligence uh just

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about a week or so before we met Dave

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there but it had been going on in his

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life for a lot longer than that and I

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know for a fact that this was handed to

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the office of Avril Haynes who's the

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head of dni this information in full

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classified form is in The Possession has

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been in the possession of the people

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that need to know about it the complaint

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reads in part

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section three

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Mr grush had Direct knowledge of

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intelligence Community elements that

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have purposely and intentionally

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withheld and or concealed UAP related

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classified information from the U.S

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Congress he has direct knowledge that

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this classified information has been

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withheld or concealed by the involved IC

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elements to purposely and intentionally

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thwart legitimate congressional

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oversight of the UAP program and he

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States further in part four in July of

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2021 full year 11 months before we ever

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met him Mr grush confidentially provided

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UAP related classified information to

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the Department of Defense Inspector

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General

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at that time he communicated classified

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information about the improper

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withholding and concealment of

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classified material from Congress he

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believes that his identity and the fact

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of his UAP related Communications with

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the dod Inspector General have been

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disclosed to individuals and entities

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outside the dodig and he has suffered

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retaliation because of it he says since

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his protected disclosures to the

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Inspector General Mr grush has been

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subjected to numerous adverse security

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clearance actions those actions have

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unfairly impugned his Integrity his

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character judgment professionalism and

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mental health

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they got right down to it with him

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punching him in the gut as much as they

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could while he remains security cleared

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by the NGA his compartmentalized access

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to numerous other IC elements has been

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mysteriously and apparently without

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plausible explanation canceled delayed

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denied or improperly obstructed he has

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reason to believe that many recent

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issues with his access are directly

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related to his previous UAP protected

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foreign

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basically he's doing his job

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he passes information about UAP programs

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up the chain command and as a result of

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doing his job they come after

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that's right and we're talking about

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specifically a legacy or multiple Legacy

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UFO exploitation programs reverse

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engineering and here are the claims

494
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non-terrestrial not made here on Earth

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what some people would say alien that's

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the claim from Hardware all the way I

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think we're going to learn to bodies now

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couple things what have we been doing

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for the last 14 months if not reporting

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on this I want to explain that right

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so we get it you keep a promise great

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however you don't just jump into a story

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because you learned about it two months

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ago I'm gonna be honest I'm the I'm the

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human Intel guy in our in our friendship

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right I'm gonna go after people try to

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understand through unknown sources to

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the public is this guy who he claims to

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be now that takes time on a story this

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big so you and I have been working on

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this

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to the point where we can independently

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verify that this complaint by the way

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that his lawyer was uh used to be

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Inspector General of the intelligence

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community so that's pretty big dog now

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you know if they separate ways now we'll

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talk we'll let we'll let other people

519
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talk about that what that could mean

520
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but here's the deal man

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when you're looking at a case like this

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and you are vetting somebody you gotta

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do it right for my from a personal

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standpoint all the way up through any

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sources you have in a community so over

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that time what we've been trying to do

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is make sure that Dave not only is who

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he says he has had the axes he said and

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had the role and title and job which we

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confirmed all of that who is he as a

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person because all of this is going to

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hinge is he telling the truth that's

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what the public is going to need to know

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in order to absorb the veracity of these

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claims so look man I'm just going to

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speak openly and personally

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Davis who he says he is he's a man of

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character he's a man of integrity he's

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never crossed the line he parses his

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words he makes sure that he does it

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right and God damn I'm proud of him as a

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friend now he's a friend now I'm proud

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of him you know we got to meet him then

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and it started a conversation that's

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gone on ever since uh you know he was

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talking to us there but since then he's

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talked to you

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on a almost daily basis weekly basis

549
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,960
yeah every week for sure sometimes a

550
00:23:11,570 --> 00:23:09,360
barrage per day I can attest to the fact

551
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,580
uh first of all Dave's a good guy right

552
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:13,799
he and he's a good one he's a good guy

553
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,860
but but he's also good at at his job

554
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,440
he's he's good as an intelligence agent

555
00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:21,840
we had some really weird insights into

556
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,179
some of the shenanigans and reprisals

557
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:25,919
and all that I mean look it got to the

558
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,659
point where when I'm investigating

559
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,280
somebody right when I'm trying to figure

560
00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,919
it out he came and stayed with me

561
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,659
so he can't you know that's part of it

562
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:35,280
is trying to learn

563
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:38,280
who this person is now this is not

564
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:41,580
highly advertised but they've had some

565
00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:44,760
very serious and I would never want them

566
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:47,940
but but he had some obligations in his

567
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:50,340
duties he has worked hard for our

568
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:54,120
country so he is doing what he's doing

569
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,780
because it is just it is right it's

570
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:00,720
speaking truth to power that's his exact

571
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,200
words to me so yeah our correspondence

572
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,120
are digging or talking is durational uh

573
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:11,820
it went deep and and on a personal level

574
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:13,980
I wanted to know what is this person

575
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:16,500
made out of kind of like I you know

576
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:18,120
people don't make make these connections

577
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,960
but

578
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,179
kind of like Lazar that's how that's how

579
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:22,980
I started is I just wanted to know is is

580
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:25,980
the guy worthy of my trust and then that

581
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,780
was the whole investigation so that's

582
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,039
the question people can ask is Dave

583
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:32,640
worthy of your trust now what he said is

584
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:34,140
different than what Lazar said because

585
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:35,460
it sounds

586
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:38,100
other than Lazar specifically worked on

587
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,299
Hardware himself is the account

588
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,760
we can prove or disprove it can be

589
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:47,159
proved or disprove what Dave came across

590
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,559
what he has what he stumbled upon what

591
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,600
was hard of him to to be convinced of

592
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,400
even though we'd all like this to be

593
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:55,260
true he wants to know too yeah well

594
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:57,000
let's get into some of the the things

595
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,320
that he has said and some of the

596
00:25:01,970 --> 00:25:00,659
criticisms that have surfaced one of the

597
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:01,980
first ones is he's talking about

598
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:05,580
Hardware uh exotic Hardware made by

599
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,340
non-humans that he learned about in the

600
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,679
course of his own investigations and yet

601
00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:13,260
he admits he never personally saw this

602
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,299
stuff he wasn't in a in a hangar where

603
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,700
flying saucers are stored uh so how does

604
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:19,919
he know okay so that's a problem that

605
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,140
people bring up is he didn't see it let

606
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:24,720
me explain a little bit of what over the

607
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,039
last 14 months that we've been able to

608
00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:28,860
validate we've been able to validate

609
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:31,460
first of all Dave is a domino you know

610
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,360
he if the mechanisms of protection are

611
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,760
in place as they should be for someone

612
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:41,460
like Dave this is going to be a Cascade

613
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:43,799
of information because I know for a fact

614
00:25:50,289 --> 00:25:48,000
the in classified settings under oath

615
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:50,299
where they could acknowledge the names

616
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,880
the specific names of Legacy reverse

617
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:55,500
engineering of non-terrestrial craft

618
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:59,220
programs were disclosed with individuals

619
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:00,539
and I'm going to say the word

620
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,179
durationally meaning not a month not a

621
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:05,279
week not something like we've heard from

622
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,020
like Bob Bazaar back in the day but

623
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,600
we're talking years physically working

624
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,940
with materials have come forward

625
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,039
and we've known this it's so hard to

626
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,360
keep this back you know because we know

627
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,100
it to be true they've come forward and

628
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:19,559
testified under oath in classified

629
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:24,120
settings program names Program locations

630
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:28,740
other things than just Hardware

631
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,559
people directly involved

632
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:34,559
so he might not have seen it but under

633
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,080
oath doing his investigation with these

634
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,240
classified programs now my question is

635
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:41,640
who has this information

636
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:44,100
have they acted on it and if they've

637
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,200
acted on it how do they get away with

638
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:48,600
parsing these strange words publicly

639
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,760
when they make like Arrow when they are

640
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,380
choosing golf when they make some

641
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,760
statement have you noticed that

642
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,860
Shenanigans are these weasel words it's

643
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:58,020
as if lawyers write this stuff the

644
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,059
statements that they make in response to

645
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:02,940
whatever the UFO story does your might

646
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,419
be in response to Dave's uh statements

647
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,400
and that have been reported in the media

648
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:11,100
around the world Goff has a typical

649
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:13,140
statement of hers the Department of

650
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:17,159
Defense has no specific no Arrow has no

651
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,559
specific evidence that there were

652
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,600
reverse engineering alien spacecraft

653
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,340
something along those lines yeah well

654
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,380
Arrow might not have it

655
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,260
or Arrow may not believe it but that

656
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,880
doesn't say the Department of Defense or

657
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,440
the intelligence Community doesn't have

658
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:33,419
that information at all

659
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,279
words are so important discovered

660
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,440
verifiable something like that right so

661
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:42,720
here's the alien too right right because

662
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:44,279
that's extraterrestrial right right

663
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:46,380
right so so here's a here you know

664
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:48,120
here's a wild Theory people will be

665
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,980
throwing out once they get smartened up

666
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,840
right which is that like what if there

667
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,960
are secret programs that are filled with

668
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:56,700
this information to make the people

669
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,500
working on them think that these

670
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,480
extraordinary Technologies are other

671
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,240
Earthly as some sort of way to

672
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:04,980
manipulate the narrative

673
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:08,279
God that's a hilarious interesting but

674
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,580
hilarious kind of theory here

675
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:14,640
we are at a moment in this whole thing

676
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:17,700
where finally we have the right process

677
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:20,940
in place and people need to trust it

678
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,860
Dave is the bullet test of the

679
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:28,559
Whistleblower protection rights this is

680
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,740
a presidential policy this is how he

681
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:34,080
went forward when he came forward Arrow

682
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:37,679
did not exist I I can tell you I know

683
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,919
directly that Sean Kirkpatrick Dr Sean

684
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:43,500
Kirkpatrick is fully aware

685
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:46,679
of the the base understanding of what

686
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:49,140
Dave grosh brought forward and that

687
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,760
there are other people in those programs

688
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,520
willing to talk now my question is and

689
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,860
I've gotten different answers

690
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,860
would Dr Kirkpatrick in his office have

691
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:00,480
the authority

692
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,440
to follow up on that Concrete Hard

693
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,559
Evidence of physical locations of

694
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,159
hardware and Beyond storage facilities

695
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:16,500
of these programs does he would he do

696
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,860
they have the clearances uh to have

697
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,659
access to the kind of information Dave

698
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,880
has shared behind closed doors I think

699
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:25,799
the answer probably is no well hold on

700
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:28,140
clearance is one thing that's there's

701
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,820
two sides to the to the coin of

702
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:32,159
intelligence there's clearance and

703
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,500
there's need to know so the authority

704
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:36,600
comes from need to know now I would say

705
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:38,760
they do have a need to know but not

706
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,539
everybody is convinced that arrow is

707
00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:44,100
going to do the right thing because of

708
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,659
these public statements a lot of these

709
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,580
dominoes a lot of these people that have

710
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:49,919
direct first-hand knowledge why do they

711
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:52,860
come to us a lot the majority of which

712
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,740
people don't know publicly why do they

713
00:30:02,510 --> 00:29:58,140
do that it's because they do not trust

714
00:30:05,389 --> 00:30:02,520
this process yet but how so Dave grush's

715
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,399
account is going to be treated is going

716
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,679
to pave the way for if things need to

717
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,360
come to journalists or if they need to

718
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:11,220
go through the official process it would

719
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:14,460
behoove the dod to treat this properly

720
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,120
and to stop whoever is trying to create

721
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,880
these reprisal aspects on on Mr Groves I

722
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:22,559
mean we believe and we have good reason

723
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:25,919
to believe that Dave has gone high up

724
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:28,140
and has testified behind closed doors

725
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,260
under oath to congressional committees

726
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,779
and perhaps to other folks to tell the

727
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,760
basic story We believe he has also

728
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,159
helped Shepherd other people who have

729
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,039
direct hands-on experience to tell that

730
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,799
story as well does Sean Kirkpatrick and

731
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,200
arrow know about this sure he does yes

732
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,899
for sure he does he knows about it he

733
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:50,760
has made the same kind of Weasley

734
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,399
statements that Susan Goff has made oh

735
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:55,919
well we have seen no really verifiable

736
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,140
information about ET reverse engineering

737
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,200
stuff weasily words okay you're throwing

738
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:03,179
punches right now you're you you think

739
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:07,260
that this is is not being handled by Dr

740
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,760
Kirkpatrick and arrow the way it should

741
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,260
be you're throwing punches yeah I think

742
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:12,240
Congress has made it pretty clear they

743
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:14,039
want this information they want to have

744
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,779
access to it they want whistleblowers

745
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:18,480
who have information direct hands-on

746
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:21,179
experience with these Legacy programs to

747
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:23,580
step forward those people are really

748
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,980
reluctant as we know we talk to them we

749
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:28,260
have we have passed people through the

750
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:30,419
process that are verifiably who they say

751
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,220
other people whose names are not yet

752
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,559
known to the public or to the UFO world

753
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,679
who want to tell the story who were

754
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,240
hoping that the Whistleblower

755
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:41,580
protections would work for them that

756
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:44,460
they would be able to go to Arrow as the

757
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,440
proper agency looking into this

758
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,840
designated by Congress tell their story

759
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,580
and that it would get out it would go to

760
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,220
the places where it needs to go and now

761
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:55,260
they're worried about it and Dave is a

762
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:56,700
good example of why they should be

763
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,960
worried about it because of how he's

764
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:00,120
been treated or he'll be a good example

765
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:02,100
of why they can trust it the ball's in

766
00:32:05,649 --> 00:32:03,659
their court but we have a specific I

767
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:05,659
want to read you something

768
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:09,840
Dave gave me to to say so uh let me let

769
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:15,409
okay I'm gonna have to look in the text

770
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,020
here oh he just [\h__\h] called me [\h__\h]

771
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:21,419
I'll call him right now full disclosure

772
00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:24,600
I'm sitting here with George cool oh

773
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:26,920
okay sure yeah so check it out man

774
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,590
things are happening in real time it's

775
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,179
like crazy so what so what there's been

776
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:38,340
this huge thing online that the

777
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,960
inspector general of intelligence the

778
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:41,399
former Inspector General of intelligence

779
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,980
who is Dave's lawyer by the way great

780
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:45,539
lawyer to have when you're doing this

781
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,360
kind of thing did that firm dropped him

782
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,880
and it to try to discredit him even in

783
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,279
the publication that told his story it's

784
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:55,740
like they've got a weird sub-agenda so

785
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,260
they tried to make that seem mysterious

786
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:01,140
is it what just happened that call what

787
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:04,020
just happened according to to Dave

788
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,039
um

789
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:07,559
that law firm represents whistleblowers

790
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,399
and active duty government employees

791
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:13,440
Dave is no longer a government employee

792
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,799
he left and so the firm that would

793
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,019
normally represent him has been peeled

794
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,899
off however to suggest that it's somehow

795
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,760
this big split that they don't believe

796
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,279
him is completely wrong because the

797
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:28,799
lawyer who represented him all the way

798
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,740
through this the guy who used to be with

799
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,200
the ig's office is still representing

800
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,840
him is he's peeled off from the firm and

801
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,340
is still sticking with Dave we're

802
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:40,980
talking about the former Inspector

803
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,799
General of intelligence so what you're

804
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,299
telling me and what I'm telling you and

805
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,179
what we know to be fact is that this

806
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:50,399
individual is leaving their Law Firm to

807
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,299
privately because of uh faith and belief

808
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,240
and trust and righteousness to to be

809
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,980
right there next today I can imagine

810
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:01,500
what it's been like the last week for

811
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,019
that law firm to be pounded and hounded

812
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:06,480
by media from all over the world not

813
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,139
only reporters and producers and demands

814
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,780
for interviews but also all the UFO

815
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,280
crazies who have been pounding them with

816
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:16,740
the criticisms and questions and things

817
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,359
of that sort so I'm sure that

818
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,220
representing somebody who is now as high

819
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,440
profile as Dave is is a headache for him

820
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:24,720
so they might use the excuse well he

821
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:26,099
doesn't work for the government anymore

822
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,399
we're leaving him but the lawyer who's

823
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:31,679
known him the best who's worked with him

824
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,960
through this whole process is sticking

825
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:36,240
with him because he knows Dave is a

826
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,940
legitimate guy and he's going to have

827
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,520
his back as we will I gotta explain why

828
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:43,679
I'm so excited right now right like I I

829
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,859
am excited because man it's been hard to

830
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,200
keep people's trust and keep our mouth

831
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,159
shut

832
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,740
if people believe Dave or not is not

833
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:54,780
going to be an issue it's either true or

834
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,900
it's not true right and we now are in a

835
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,820
moment where this can be proven so I'm

836
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,400
excited because man I you get this too

837
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,920
you sat on a story for so long by the

838
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:06,660
time it comes out whether through you or

839
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,280
through other people what is that like

840
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,020
what is that feeling like when something

841
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,420
you've been keeping secret finally comes

842
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,160
out well it's good it's a good feeling

843
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,720
you know especially when you got

844
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,940
somebody as credible as Dave it it's

845
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:20,520
frustrating if if the story comes out

846
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,859
from someone else obviously there's a

847
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:25,140
it's a mixed bag of emotions there but

848
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,700
you're glad the information finally

849
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:28,920
comes out and gets taken seriously in

850
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,619
Dave's case he has testified under oath

851
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:33,660
about not only the things that the

852
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,900
public has now heard but a lot more he's

853
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:39,180
not only as he testified under oath but

854
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,160
he's knows that he's helped Shepherd

855
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,920
other people who have much more direct

856
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,260
Hands-On knowledge who have also

857
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,180
testified under oath there is so much

858
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,220
more that the public does not know

859
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:52,980
people are grasping at straws looking

860
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,140
for a way to discredit Dave for example

861
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,720
they're complaining that we once met

862
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,520
with him at a Star Trek convention in

863
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,280
Las Vegas oh my God oh my God he must be

864
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,500
some crazy Trekkie guy you can't believe

865
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,780
anything he says he loves The Wrath of

866
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:09,060
Khan therefore we gotta dismiss this

867
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:10,980
whole thing so let's tell this story how

868
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,520
that happened yeah guilty we we actually

869
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:16,079
we actually did need to start a

870
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,400
convention

871
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,079
um okay so here's

872
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,000
I guess it seems so mysterious from the

873
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,740
outside so

874
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:25,440
my childhood friend one of my best

875
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:29,460
friends is a a guy named Rod Roddenberry

876
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,320
his his real name is uh Eugene

877
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:33,060
Roddenberry he's the son of Gene

878
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,579
Roddenberry creator of Star Trek we grew

879
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,260
up together we trained Jujitsu together

880
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,560
we bled in sport fighting together he is

881
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:43,140
a dear friend of mine and has always

882
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:44,820
asked that you and I might do a kind of

883
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,700
UFO talk at some Star Trek thing and I I

884
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:49,500
love Star Trek it's totally cool I'm not

885
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,180
super knowledgeable about it but I love

886
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,420
it so I thought man they're doing it in

887
00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:57,300
Vegas Rod is asking us to do a a

888
00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:00,300
conference uh I know I can get you there

889
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,040
despite your travel curse because it's

890
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,200
in your backyard and how fun would that

891
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,540
be you know how fun would that be so

892
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:08,579
talking with Dave at that time during

893
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,700
all the vetting and this process uh I

894
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:13,260
asked him I said would you be interested

895
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,500
in meeting us there uh just to just to

896
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,200
continue talking about what's going on

897
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,599
in your life and where it's going and he

898
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,280
was like oh yeah I'm stoked I love Star

899
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,740
Trek I'll be there he loves it too is

900
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,200
that a crime by the way I know he wasn't

901
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:30,119
dressed as a Klingon by the way for the

902
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,099
record he didn't come in a costume yeah

903
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,200
uh he came to the event he heard our

904
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,119
presentation we spent some time together

905
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,520
to talk about topics of mutual interest

906
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,220
and and in fact I kind of thought it was

907
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,079
a greater level of protection here's a

908
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,660
guy that is receiving true threats to

909
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:48,000
his and his family's well-being and I

910
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:49,859
thought well if we're in a public place

911
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:52,200
and that connection can be made later so

912
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,460
we actually

913
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,380
um brought a friend in as kind of a

914
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,540
witness didn't tell him much but just

915
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,339
made sure he knew that there was another

916
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,079
pair of eyes and that was our friend Joe

917
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,780
murga right Joe was there spent some

918
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,400
time heard some of what our

919
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,440
conversations were yeah just the basic

920
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,180
conversations as journalists when we're

921
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,820
interacting with individuals

922
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,920
where we we can't tell something yet

923
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:16,020
here's the part that has not been made

924
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:18,900
public is so Dave was there in Las Vegas

925
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,660
with us at the Star Trek big event very

926
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,240
cool event and we had many conversations

927
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:26,400
during the course of those two days the

928
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,060
next day he flies back east and reports

929
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:33,119
to work and it hit the fan and we were

930
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:34,680
concerned that it might have been

931
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,320
somehow related to him being seen with

932
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:39,599
us in public describe what happened to

933
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,359
him when he got to work that day uh I I

934
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:44,400
maybe that's a that's too far to go I

935
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:47,460
don't know maybe that's okay so here's

936
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:48,599
the deal

937
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:49,859
um

938
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:55,200
I am being absolutely clear with this I

939
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,200
respect how Dave has handled the

940
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,480
pressure that he's been under he has net

941
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,820
I to you tell me if to you he has never

942
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:03,920
disclosed something to me

943
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:06,780
inappropriately he has always maintained

944
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:10,020
the straight line of what he can say

945
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:13,859
so meeting there it was more like

946
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:16,980
getting to know him but also allowing

947
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,800
just some public knowledge that would

948
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:22,079
come out later that like okay look he

949
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,820
started this process this isn't like a

950
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:25,619
whim this isn't like a big conspiracy

951
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:26,460
thing

952
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,859
but I guess we'll so we will say so Dave

953
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,900
had a lot of reprisal one of the things

954
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,839
at some point is that he was uh and it's

955
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,200
in the IG he was he was stripped of

956
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,839
access you know to his clearances and

957
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,119
whatnot and that and that did happen the

958
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:43,980
the day he got home from from being with

959
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,460
us but his problems started prior when

960
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:49,920
they found out that in his IG report

961
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:53,940
before we met that they were doing that

962
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,339
they were angling on him because of what

963
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,280
he uncovered the illegal programs that

964
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,619
is coincidence and he doesn't blame us

965
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,200
and we don't try to put anything on that

966
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,200
but as journalists it's good for us to

967
00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:09,599
know that that is the level of pressure

968
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,700
he was under now by the way he was

969
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:13,800
cleared of all of that completely

970
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:17,339
cleared that was a [\h__\h] [\h__\h] up

971
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:20,940
attempt to try to uh intimidate him 100

972
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:24,060
and keep him quiet 100 yeah why why

973
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,040
would well I mean it's coincidental that

974
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:28,079
he beats with us in Las Vegas he goes to

975
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,700
the Star Trek event and then the next

976
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,859
day when he gets back they walk him out

977
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,720
they strip him as clearance they suspend

978
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,420
him they suspend the experiences and and

979
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:38,820
then he has to fight to get his job back

980
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:41,300
which he did and he fought

981
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,980
and he won and he provided everything it

982
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,900
was [\h__\h] and that's the kind of

983
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,099
thing that stopped people so everybody

984
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:48,720
asked like why don't you just put

985
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:50,099
something out why don't you do this why

986
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,380
don't you do that do you realize

987
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:54,780
people that put their heads above the

988
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:58,079
parapit are often shot at so that's what

989
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,460
we're seeing that they're not whether

990
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:01,140
you believe Dave or not that's up to you

991
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:02,460
but we we're going to get to the bottom

992
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:04,260
of that but that's just that's a human

993
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,940
thing let's be honest that's a human I

994
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,140
mean you know something that we've

995
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,880
talked about many times and through the

996
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,380
course of my career as a journalist

997
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:12,240
sometimes you have to protect your

998
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:16,740
sources even from themselves so Dave has

999
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,500
maintained strict rules about what we

1000
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,119
could know and what we couldn't and he

1001
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,859
never crossed a line he never told us

1002
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:25,500
things that we should not know that is

1003
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,720
classified uh very specific information

1004
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,700
the kinds of questions that the public

1005
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,640
now has he didn't cross that line in Las

1006
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,280
Vegas and he didn't deserve to be

1007
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,260
treated as he was when he got back to

1008
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,119
work but that wasn't the first time he

1009
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,579
was already under pressure as of July of

1010
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,460
2021 they were coming after him because

1011
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:48,000
they knew what he knew and in my

1012
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,079
personal

1013
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:50,400
human

1014
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:54,780
to see what is this guy made of who does

1015
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:57,240
he know what's going on

1016
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:00,900
other people have looser lips

1017
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,200
so we have learned a number of things

1018
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:06,300
which we hope we know have been shared

1019
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:07,980
in classified settings

1020
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:10,140
and we do hope the public gets to know

1021
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,300
that through the proper channels that is

1022
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:15,359
information if true and correct it is of

1023
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:18,119
public interest on a scale that I think

1024
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,260
is is

1025
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:21,780
it's changing it's it's transformative

1026
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,820
one of the other things that comes up is

1027
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,160
is Dave just repeating stuff that he's

1028
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,440
heard from the UFO Echo chamber other

1029
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,599
people who are in these circles who've

1030
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,339
been through part of what he's gone

1031
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,040
through who have gone public and said

1032
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,720
these things is he just repeating things

1033
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,520
you've heard heard from say Lou

1034
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,619
Alexander and and the answer they do

1035
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,140
know each other the answer is no let's

1036
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:45,720
let Dave speak for himself

1037
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,940
he told me that you know he gave me a

1038
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,680
direct statement on that and I want to

1039
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,420
share that let's let's let Dave speak

1040
00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:53,040
for himself I'm going to just read it

1041
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:55,859
sure during my investigations very

1042
00:43:02,510 --> 00:42:59,099
little was from the usual crowd that has

1043
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:02,520
some knowledge most people that confirm

1044
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:06,599
details to icig our current government

1045
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,240
employees with top secret clearances

1046
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,000
people that literally handled the

1047
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,520
materials in the classified program

1048
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:16,980
those individuals provided exact

1049
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:20,099
locations where the stuff was and I'm

1050
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,859
going to say or is so what Dave is

1051
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,680
saying there is that it's not from the

1052
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:27,599
known names and people that have like

1053
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,079
some information that during his

1054
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,420
investigation this is what people the

1055
00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:35,460
public are unaware of they're in these

1056
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:38,900
stove piped sap special access program

1057
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,660
compartmentalized saps so these are the

1058
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,060
quality of people not that he's just

1059
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:47,880
saying but that have actually testified

1060
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,180
to back up and given the goods they were

1061
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,040
required to they were under an

1062
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,160
investigation they gave the goods so if

1063
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,359
this is true

1064
00:44:02,329 --> 00:44:00,119
which I believe it is true now

1065
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:02,339
the question is are we going to learn

1066
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,380
about it publicly

1067
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,660
you know Dave has access to multiple

1068
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,180
levels of information there are he does

1069
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:11,520
have communications with some of the

1070
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,859
names that are known in UFO world people

1071
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:15,420
who've already come out and have gone

1072
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,880
public but more importantly has access

1073
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,520
direct access to many of the names

1074
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,680
who've had hands-on experience with

1075
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,319
these programs who have testified under

1076
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,380
oath in Congress and elsewhere he has

1077
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:30,839
access to them as well he has access to

1078
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,339
a lot of information that he would not

1079
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,500
even share with us that he would not

1080
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:36,119
cross a line and tell the public about

1081
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:38,280
in fact I think we need to make the

1082
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,619
point that this story broke in a way

1083
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,960
that he did not want it to go out he did

1084
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,940
not want it to be this way I think the

1085
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:46,319
journalists who are working with him

1086
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:47,940
Leslie and Ralph didn't want it to be

1087
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,980
this way either but somebody leaked his

1088
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,660
name now we have known his name for a

1089
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:53,940
long time we didn't leak it we wouldn't

1090
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:55,859
we wouldn't make that information public

1091
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,619
unless he told us that that he wanted to

1092
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,720
go that route we were there as sort of a

1093
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,640
backstop to protect them if he needed

1094
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,920
our help that's right and the the

1095
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,200
interviews and all this stuff it was

1096
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,800
just kind of like a a backup plan and so

1097
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:12,839
so that's what's kind of concerning to

1098
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:16,319
me I don't know how that was I've heard

1099
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,920
how that those names get out but it

1100
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:21,660
wasn't through us and that's very clear

1101
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,020
in the in the public Realm but I think

1102
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:27,180
your point and I think it really needs

1103
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,060
to be heard is that because it's true is

1104
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,940
that this was not what somebody was

1105
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,400
looking to do was be in the public I

1106
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:36,960
mean

1107
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,180
Dave is a

1108
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:42,000
kind of socially private person in in

1109
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,500
some ways that I've gotten to know him

1110
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,040
uh he has never been seeking a kind of

1111
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,160
Limelight what he has been seeking is

1112
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,339
for the public to be aware

1113
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,700
speaking truth to power is his words not

1114
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,280
mine these are the motivations of the

1115
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:01,500
person and once you really under once

1116
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,760
you believe that

1117
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,099
once you really believe that because it

1118
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,200
is true but you need to understand that

1119
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:10,200
then you start to understand that he was

1120
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,300
pressured at this point the name was out

1121
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:14,880
the story was was going and there are

1122
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,460
people that were trying to enact harmful

1123
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:20,400
things upon him so they didn't get

1124
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,099
Choice one they didn't get Choice two

1125
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,380
they had to get it out by any means

1126
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,020
necessary in the right way it wasn't

1127
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:31,020
because people were afraid of vetting or

1128
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:33,060
of this story being vetted it was

1129
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,660
because there are reprisals and this is

1130
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,339
an important case to protect because if

1131
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,640
it's true it changes a lot I mean what

1132
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,980
we can document for sure is that Dave

1133
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,020
was following the rules starting in July

1134
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,260
of 2021 he was going forward through the

1135
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:51,119
established processes through through

1136
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:52,859
the will of Congress that have been

1137
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,260
expressed uh publicly and in legislation

1138
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,300
they wanted information to go up the

1139
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,460
pipeline to be presented through the

1140
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,200
proper channels and he was trying to do

1141
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,540
that and what he faced was retribution

1142
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,280
by people in the intelligence Community

1143
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,800
a year later is when he first started

1144
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,079
talking to us as a backup plan as

1145
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:12,180
protection in case things went really

1146
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,260
bad and now this year the last week the

1147
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:18,900
story blasted out into the public not

1148
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,300
because he wanted it out not because the

1149
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,280
two journalists the three journalists

1150
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:25,260
working directly with him wanted it out

1151
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,700
right now it had to come out because

1152
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,440
somebody leaked it now whatever their

1153
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,240
motives were for who leaked his name

1154
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:32,400
trying to pressure pressure him were not

1155
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,099
exactly sure but it's out now and now

1156
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,040
the public Congress investigative

1157
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,859
agencies Arrow can all take their shot

1158
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,720
at it and and dig into it and see what

1159
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:45,359
they find to verify or reflect on his

1160
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,260
story

1161
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,960
I am tuned in to what you know public

1162
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,240
will kind of whisper about stuff because

1163
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:53,040
I have some friends that read Twitter a

1164
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,300
lot and all that stuff and they'll tell

1165
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:57,240
me kind of what's being said and one

1166
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,619
thing that people are saying and I want

1167
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,480
to knit this in the bud because you

1168
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,240
start believing nonsense like this it it

1169
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:05,400
corrodes the truth some people are

1170
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:06,900
saying even friends of mine like eat

1171
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,000
family you know they're like this is it

1172
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:12,180
this is the government orchestrating

1173
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:16,020
either a slow disclosure and here we go

1174
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:17,400
this is the way that they are

1175
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:19,619
orchestrating this through people in the

1176
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:21,380
intelligence Community like Dave grush

1177
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:24,839
or they're planning some massive fake

1178
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,480
Alien Invasion and Paving the ground and

1179
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,480
man I can personally tell our audience

1180
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,880
for whatever that's worth to them and I

1181
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:34,560
think you can too

1182
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:37,319
holy [\h__\h] this is not an organized

1183
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:41,940
process this is UFO Vietnam there are

1184
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:44,280
bombs going off right and left our lives

1185
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,160
are chaos this is not a planned thing

1186
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,140
now you don't got to take my word for it

1187
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,359
but but here's the deal the people

1188
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:54,480
involved they're not some puppets for

1189
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,480
this thing they're not some setup

1190
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:00,240
there's Talent like they know it and

1191
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,300
reluctantly sometimes and so that that's

1192
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,740
so important because I can see that

1193
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,200
conspiracy coming from a mile away that

1194
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,640
this is some orchestrated government

1195
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,740
attempt and look if we find out it is in

1196
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,900
any way oh I can't wait to report on

1197
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,640
that we'll have proof If it is but it's

1198
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:18,000
not you know these are people Dave and

1199
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,280
others coming forward at Great personal

1200
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,760
risk risk to their credibility uh to

1201
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,160
their reputations to their careers and

1202
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:28,740
maybe to their lives they're coming

1203
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,319
forward to tell a story to Congress and

1204
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,240
hopefully to the American public to the

1205
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,460
world uh that the public wants to know

1206
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,160
that Congress wants to know and that

1207
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,260
supposedly our laws have created a

1208
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,240
system that allows them to do that with

1209
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:44,160
certain kind of protections that's not

1210
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,380
exactly how it's worked out so far but

1211
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:48,780
they put themselves at risk to tell the

1212
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,700
story because they think that that is

1213
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,200
their job that it's their Duty As

1214
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,480
Americans there is going to be pushback

1215
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,119
this is not the beginning of the end it

1216
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:59,040
may be the beginning the end of the

1217
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:01,020
beginning but there's a long way to go

1218
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:03,180
and the keepers of the secrets are not

1219
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,980
going to give this stuff up easily

1220
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,440
Congress might have now have a better

1221
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:10,319
idea about where stuff is hidden who's

1222
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:11,280
got it

1223
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:12,900
doesn't mean they're going to get to it

1224
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,240
doesn't mean that even if they get to it

1225
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,980
that we'll be allowed to know about it

1226
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,300
because there are National Security

1227
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:20,819
implications regardless of what we might

1228
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,300
think for people like Dave grush

1229
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:26,700
um you know it's a rough road ahead

1230
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,859
the New York Times had a chance to

1231
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:30,599
publish that story and they took a pass

1232
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:33,300
on it from what we've heard they didn't

1233
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:34,980
really give a whole lot of thought to

1234
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,319
the process they just said no

1235
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:39,540
our information now is they're now

1236
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:41,880
investigating Dave their calls being

1237
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,380
made to the Pentagon

1238
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,060
to find out information about his

1239
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:47,640
background presumably to look for dirt

1240
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,220
so that maybe in the future maybe even

1241
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,800
real soon they can publish a story that

1242
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,500
explains that tries to justify why they

1243
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:57,359
never investigated them the first time

1244
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:59,339
when the story was dropped into their

1245
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,099
lapse they said no to Ralph Blumenthal

1246
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,440
who worked at the paper for 30 years or

1247
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,020
more they said no without really looking

1248
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:08,880
into it at all

1249
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,440
um that suggests to me that there's

1250
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:12,660
going to be pushback that we still have

1251
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,760
a long way to go but people like Dave

1252
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,440
coming forward and some of the others

1253
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:18,480
that colleagues that he knows that he

1254
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,339
helped Shepard into the into the

1255
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,440
government before Congress there's

1256
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,300
progress that's been made

1257
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,579
look man I'm just gonna say it because I

1258
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,319
don't want it to be I don't want it to

1259
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:31,440
to sound like this weird dark hand

1260
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,540
that's going over stuff like this

1261
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:36,660
pushback on this topic this topic is

1262
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,240
considered a national security issue at

1263
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:41,040
the level of weapons of mass destruction

1264
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,460
if not higher than that so when you're

1265
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:46,079
talking about all this it might sound

1266
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:48,359
mysterious to people but I think it's

1267
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,220
really important to kind of like clear

1268
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:52,380
that up there are people

1269
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,099
there are groups there are factions that

1270
00:52:02,210 --> 00:51:58,200
not only don't want the public to know

1271
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:02,220
whatever the truth is about UFOs UAP but

1272
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,260
there are also groups and I'm going to

1273
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,720
say a quote and I really want people to

1274
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,220
hear it

1275
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:11,700
there are groups agencies that want to

1276
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:13,020
quote

1277
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:17,760
shape the emerging UAP narrative

1278
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,859
end quote

1279
00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:21,480
you and I

1280
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:24,059
have tried to be as impervious as

1281
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:27,240
possible to that influence whatever that

1282
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:28,140
is

1283
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:37,020
put in place that legal process wouldn't

1284
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:38,940
exist they wouldn't create something

1285
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,099
saying you are protected from reprisal

1286
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:43,380
if they didn't know that there were

1287
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:46,680
reprisal attempts that is legislation

1288
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,000
folks that is law so there are people in

1289
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,339
Senate in Congress in in other

1290
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,200
committees and agencies that public that

1291
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,839
people don't know about that are trying

1292
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,240
to get the truth for themselves for

1293
00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:03,000
oversight and some of them want it out

1294
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,220
to the American public and you and I

1295
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:07,920
have directly been involved with helping

1296
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,059
to navigate how to bring certain people

1297
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,079
forward full in the public Congressional

1298
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,140
hearings with rights committees with

1299
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:21,480
oversight and I am hopeful and

1300
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:24,420
optimistic everybody I've met

1301
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:27,960
has been looking to do this right now

1302
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:30,599
last thing which is that

1303
00:53:35,329 --> 00:53:33,420
intelligence individuals who work in

1304
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:35,339
those mechanisms that we have talked

1305
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:36,240
with

1306
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:38,940
have continued to say

1307
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,420
I hope Dave is staying safe

1308
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:44,940
and that has concerned me greatly

1309
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,300
because that is a concern for people so

1310
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:51,359
the best way for for Dave grush to stay

1311
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:54,660
safe is to stand right where he is

1312
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:56,760
when it when it is appropriate to talk

1313
00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:59,339
but to be right out in the light we

1314
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:02,099
applaud Dave's courage and integrity for

1315
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,500
coming forward we know that it's going

1316
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:06,240
to be a rough road ahead for him he's

1317
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:07,380
going there's going to be a lot of

1318
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,180
slings and arrows a lot of attacks on

1319
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,760
his credibility and on The credibility

1320
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,680
and integrity of the people who will

1321
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,200
follow him but we appreciate that he's

1322
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,900
come forward we really appreciate that

1323
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:21,180
he's shared our our trust shared his

1324
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:23,940
information some of it with us and and

1325
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:27,000
uh asked us to have his back and he will

1326
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:29,099
have that going forward even though we

1327
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:30,660
regret we didn't get to break the big

1328
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,240
story we have other stories to break and

1329
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,160
a lot of them have to do with Dave yeah

1330
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:36,720
let's maybe we'll we'll just leave

1331
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:39,720
people with this which is that um

1332
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:42,059
there is a bigger story

1333
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:45,420
and over this time I am so inspired I

1334
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:46,440
mean I think you can tell with this

1335
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:48,059
episode I'm super excited

1336
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:50,220
you know it's like I'm inspired that

1337
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,740
we're going to be able to finally talk

1338
00:54:57,710 --> 00:54:54,839
about some things that that we've wanted

1339
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:57,720
to and in the right way and with new

1340
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,960
releases so I just uh we are this close

1341
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:03,180
to coming to the fundamental consensus

1342
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:04,980
reality

1343
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:09,119
that this UFO issue has substance and

1344
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:11,579
importance and consensus reality and

1345
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,140
we're talking everywhere and if we get

1346
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:14,880
there then we're going to figure out a

1347
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:16,020
little bit more and learn a little bit

1348
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:18,359
more so I'm just real excited and I am

1349
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:19,800
grateful and thank you for saying that

1350
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,960
about Dave I am grateful and you know

1351
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:23,280
that he came forward now people believe

1352
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,380
him don't believe him that's on you you

1353
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:27,240
got to do some footwork baby you got to

1354
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start dancing you got to figure it out

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but you and me I'm ready to say that um

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everything that Davis put out publicly

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that he believes to be accurate and

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correct and it is corroborated in ways

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that are not yet public it's uh he's got

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a ways to go the American public and

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Congress have ways to go before they get

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to the bottom of this but what a heck of

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a journey an exciting time I can't wait

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never have so few have so much to tell

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but could say so living

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following this is a weaponized

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presentation of Jeremy Corbell George

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Knapp Dark Horse entertainment Cadence

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